Posts by FatFreek 2005

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Does anyone know where, or what happened to Fred and April Fredean? They where our old circuit overseers in Chicago in the sixties and I was friends when I was at bethel with them.

by hepcat in

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FatFreek 2005

Hi hepcat,

Thank you fatfreak, although can I find out who the 83 are? I would be interested.

Check out my original post and that sentence with the blue-colored text. That is a hyperlink. Simply left click it and you will open the document.

Keep in mind that list is one of handles (like hepcat), not their real names. Tom Cabeen uses his name as his handle but that's unusual. If you'd like to communicate with any of them simply copy their handle and look for it under "members" above, where you can PM (private message) them.

Len

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Does anyone know where, or what happened to Fred and April Fredean? They where our old circuit overseers in Chicago in the sixties and I was friends when I was at bethel with them.

by hepcat in

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FatFreek 2005

Hi hepcat,

No, I don't know those folks. However, I was in one of your neighboring states (Marshalltown, Iowa) in the sixties. Our young (in his late 20's) circuit overseer, a Paul Valenzuela, was (I thought) from the Chicago area.

Check out my Bethel (and CO's and DO's, etc) list. You are now included and become number 83.

Len Miller

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ABC News Runs This Headline: "Calif Jury Awards $28M in Jehovah's Sex Abuse Case"

by TMS in

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at least "the name" is being kept before the people..

FatFreek 2005

What bothers me about all the headlines that I've seen in that " ... Jehovah's Witnesses are guilty ...", or some such. I can hear the sheeples now, "Oh, this is just another incident of persecution because one of our members sinned".

The fact is, it's Watchtower who appears to be mostly responsible -- holds the primary culpability. It is the corporation's leadership (not the rank and file) who dictated the policy that got them into this mess.

Len

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Watchtower found guilty ruled to pay 7 million to 1 victim? wow

by yourmomma in

is this recent?

http://www.silentlambs.org/oaklandlawsuit.htm.

i havent seen anyone post about it, the link has a pdf on it of the court documents, and it looks like the stamp is from 5/12 but its blurry.. .

FatFreek 2005

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Watchtower found guilty ruled to pay 7 million to 1 victim? wow

by yourmomma in

is this recent?

http://www.silentlambs.org/oaklandlawsuit.htm.

i havent seen anyone post about it, the link has a pdf on it of the court documents, and it looks like the stamp is from 5/12 but its blurry.. .

FatFreek 2005

Is there a spin doctor in the house?

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Watchtower found guilty ruled to pay 7 million to 1 victim? wow

by yourmomma in

is this recent?

http://www.silentlambs.org/oaklandlawsuit.htm.

i havent seen anyone post about it, the link has a pdf on it of the court documents, and it looks like the stamp is from 5/12 but its blurry.. .

FatFreek 2005

I can hear it now from the platform. "Brothers, this persecution is evidence that we're so near the end. A 7 million dollar judgement symbolizes perfection. Jehovah must be telling us something with such a number. All it will take is a dollar from each of us."

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Watchtower found guilty ruled to pay 7 million to 1 victim? wow

by yourmomma in

is this recent?

http://www.silentlambs.org/oaklandlawsuit.htm.

i havent seen anyone post about it, the link has a pdf on it of the court documents, and it looks like the stamp is from 5/12 but its blurry.. .

FatFreek 2005

it won't let me cut and paste . is this function restricted for new members?

If you're talking about that cartoon image -- if you're using Windows simply right click and follow the menu.

Len

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Watchtower found guilty ruled to pay 7 million to 1 victim? wow

by yourmomma in

is this recent?

http://www.silentlambs.org/oaklandlawsuit.htm.

i havent seen anyone post about it, the link has a pdf on it of the court documents, and it looks like the stamp is from 5/12 but its blurry.. .

FatFreek 2005

Is this a bad time to appeal for funds?

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Planning an Escape: Truth Triumphs Over Lies!

by 00DAD in

often during wt/book studies and/or public talks i would be following along and note little discrepancies and inconsistencies.

perhaps it was a scripture that didn't really support the point being asserted in the paragraph or maybe it was an illustration that sounded good but wasn't completely parallel or maybe it was a line of reasoning that wasn't as conclusive or solid as the speaker/elder/co/wt publication made it out to be.

or maybe it was the excessive use of weasel words like, "evidently," "perhaps," "must have" and so on.

FatFreek 2005

Wonderful telling of a tragic tale. Thanks for being brave enough to finally make the break. It sounds as if you did so with an intelligence that many of us don't have. You also have the gift to write clearly with well-organized thoughts.

Sure, you acknowledge making errors along the way. Yes, we're all human, aren't we?

Again -- I'm impressed. Again -- thanks.

Len Miller

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My life ... and how JWD came to be - Part 4

by Simon in

my life ... and how jwd came to be - part 1 .

my life ... and how jwd came to be - part 2 .

my life ... and how jwd came to be - part 3

FatFreek 2005

Unfortunately, when I found it I couldn’t open links for parts 1 and 3 of his story (can anyone help me with that?).

Hit Sinedie,

This is the first time I read his story and it was very well written. Thanks Simon and, of course, Angherad (spelling?).

To read the other parts, use Google search and try the following search terms -- quotation marks are important.

"and how JWD came to be" "Part 1" simon

Use the above for parts 2, 3, and 4 -- substituting the appropriate number.

Len